wow if you didn't get ""it"" yet talking about it is a waste of your time. spend more time praying pulling and LISTENING !!!!! It doesn't matter how conscious the teacher is it only matters how bad you want it.you can pull god through anything/or one. so why are you whining and blaming others for your lack of sincerity? the teacher is only as good as the love being pulled through them. if you give them your power and walk away with nothing look deeper.i did try om recieving the strongest pull on god most high. the energy is there waitng for you if you chase it . there is a lack of energized aware forms and if you make yourself indespensible to the planetary work and get beyond your seeming limited form you will light up like a sun. the inner is all about location if you ain't in the right place it won't work i mean the inner is big if you don't acess the right levels your wasting your time. many pray but few are answered. ponder this. i'll now entertain sincere questions. --one"

Lulu

512 "Re: message from ""one""" 3-Dec-2000 02:50:41 "Hummm Familiar language. The beginning of this message feels like an invaladation of the good done here. I do not think it is fair to call what has been shared on this board ""whining"" The catharsis and truth telling has been important healing... and the reconnecting between many of us is priceless. I will comment on more of this later...Sure sounds like John. What do you mean by ""indespensible to planetary work""? Please explain further. I AM eternally for Peace h " holley

511 Sounds like more false teacchings . SOUNDS LIKE JOHN! 3-Dec-2000 11:01:47

510 "I agree with ""One""!" 3-Dec-2000 12:13:00 Ignoring the insane logical implication that all problems in spiritual groups are due to the students' lack of sincerity I think One's statement is consistent with what many people have been saying all along... The grace was due to us not John! Once sincere people like Mark Sharon Tommy Joseph and many others left or were banned things started to diminish. When only insincere loyalists like Amrita Beth Dawna Katherine Emile and Diana were left there was really no pull at all and John crashed and burned due to their insincerity. Furthermore John was insincere. If he had been more sincere he could have pulled God through anyone even his insincere loyalists. Instead he preferred to escape through drugs. One is right he shouldn't whine either and should pull on God more. Axel

508 Re: 3-Dec-2000 12:42:28 "i feel one and axel are correct ultimatly. this world is only as heavenly as you make it. people spend there days leaving a trail of what ever their looking at in their heads and hearts behind them so others have to deal with their goo. if more folks pulled the light down and grounded it in ""real works"" i'd be happier. so would us all. love billy" billy

506 Re: amen 3-Dec-2000 12:46:50 to billy: amen amen amen!!! holly R. never gives up one tuff independant broad pasadena's best. hope-full

501 Re: to lulu 3-Dec-2000 12:52:51 hi: be nice some of us are new to the web not dumb just a novice. this is the first time i've ever posted a message. blessings to you in future projects. one

495 Flame On!! 3-Dec-2000 13:20:05 "wow if you didn't get ""it"" yet talking about it is a waste of your time. ""It"" is nothing to get it. ""It"" is who you are already now and always. Regardless if you think you are sincere enough or not. If you beleive ""it"" is a state you can acheive through effort be it prayer or Oming or whatever you are once again seeking a temporary state. spend more time praying pulling and LISTENING !!!!! It doesn't matter how conscious the teacher is It definetly matters a bad teacher can cause you much harm.In the end its all ""grist for the mill"" but that does not excuse irresponsible deluded people like JP running around claiming they are the Avatar. it only matters how bad you want it.you can pull god through anything/or one. God is everything and everyone in all states and appearances. you dont pull god through anything.Another concept taught by John. That just perpetuates the illusion of a seperate you and God. God is not a thing that appears and reappears depoending on how hard you work at it. so why are you whining and blaming others for your lack of sincerity? the teacher is only as good as the love being pulled through them. The teacher is only as good as their genuine state of self realization honesty integrity humility compassion love silence. People here were not whining and blaming. They were sharing the truth of their experience for healing and wisdom. Only arrogance would blind you to seeing this. This honesty is a reflection of sincerety. If John was truly sincere he would face all the feedback and not hide like a coward. Who is he hiding from? Himself. if you give them your power and walk away with nothing look deeper.i did try om recieving the strongest pull on god most high. the energy is there waitng for you if you chase it . Once again this is chasing after something you believe is seperate from who you are now! High energy low enegy whatever. Energy comes and goes. Who you are remains. No amount of effort gets you there. You already are. It is grace. there is a lack of energized aware forms and if you make yourself indespensible to the planetary work and get beyond your seeming limited form you will light up like a sun. the inner is all about location if you ain't in the right place it won't work Once again how can you possibly be in the wrong place? i mean the inner is big If it has no limits. Than everything is within it. How could you entertain that location matteres or that there are wrong levels. More spiritual arrogance. if you don't acess the right levels your wasting your time. The concept of ""right levels is more BS. How could something that is indivisible eternal unchanging have right levels? many pray but few are answered. ponder this. i'll now entertain sincere questions. --on"

494 This smells like John 3-Dec-2000 13:23:23

493 This also could be one of the kids raised in the cult.... 3-Dec-2000 13:49:21

509 Confirmation for Axel 3-Dec-2000 17:50:30 "Back in 81 or so I was on a transmitting cycle down in S. Cal when I ran into an old friend S. who I hadn't seen in years. I started shring with him and we agreed on everything. After sharing with him a few minutes I ran out of steam. This puzzled me because he was the first person who actually did fully agree w/ me and this was during a period when I could channel and pull through stuff for hours. Later I realized that just because he agreed with my concepts it didn't mean he was ""pulling"". In fact many people who disagreed were pulling more in fact the very disagreement was a sign that they were really trying to know the truth not just blindly accepting what I told them. I think this was the essence of John's mistake in that regard: he believed that people who disagreed with him were not sincere. The loyalists who stayed to the end were in fact some of the least inquisitive least sincere most smug and self-righteous people around. And you can quote me on that!" harvey

513 You ain't seen nothing yet Saturday 2-Dec-2000 19:58:34 "The following was forwarded to me by Malcolm by someone who is obviously quite enlightened but not bright enough to realize they posted on a non-operating board. I post it here for your comments wow if you didn't get ""it"" yet talking about it is a waste of your time. spend more time praying pulling and LISTENING !!!!! It doesn't matter how conscious the teacher is it only matters how bad you want it.you can pull god through anything/or one. so why are you whining and blaming others for your lack of sincerity? the teacher is only as good as the love being pulled through them. if you give them your power and walk away with nothing look deeper.i did try om recieving the strongest pull on god most high. the energy is there waitng for you if you chase it . there is a lack of energized aware forms and if you make yourself indespensible to the planetary work and get beyond your seeming limited form you will light up like a sun. the inner is all about location if you ain't in the right place it won't work i mean the inner is big if you don't acess the right levels your wasting your time. many pray but few are answered. ponder this. i'll now entertain sincere questions. --one" Lulu

505 Re: Re: amen 3-Dec-2000 18:36:08 hope-full wrote holly R. never gives up one tuff independant broad pasadena's best. awe gee shuks. tahnks. now if i could just remember how to navigate the southland freeways! holley

507 If that's what I said then I disagree w/ myself :-) 3-Dec-2000 18:47:18 In my experience attention is intelligent it goes where the work is. If people are focussed on negativity it is because they are trying to process it however slowly. To process it more effectively one can try therapy or whatever works. If you simply uplevel it WILL come back to haunt you as it did w/ John and Chuck. axel

500 Re: Re: to lulu 3-Dec-2000 18:53:49 "apologies to you we were all newbies once. Likewise be nice to us who may be less ""experienced"" on the spiritual path or whose experience simply differs... God Bless" lulu

492 Doubtful 3-Dec-2000 22:26:07 "For two reasons [1] they all know about computers and message boards [2] look at what he said about ""location"". That kind of chutzpah wouldn't be used by one of the kids"

490 Sincere question 3-Dec-2000 22:29:13 "I do planetary work daily. If what you say is true I should be ""shining like the sun."" I don't feel that way and I wasn't treated that way when I was in the group. So why not?" autumn

486 what do you mean about location ?? 4-Dec-2000 20:35:34 Do you mean the chakras? Somewhere on the inner planes? Please explain? Bird

504 to; flame off !!! 4-Dec-2000 22:03:04 a zen master said: you open your mouth and show your gallbladder.mr T. said : I pity the fool. take your pick both apply. toby

489 Re: Sincere question 4-Dec-2000 22:04:47

485 Re: what do you mean about location ??to bird. 4-Dec-2000 22:19:50 "both inner planes and chakras and more. how big are you when you do work ? are you incompassing what you're working on or are you flying around inside the ""thing"" your working on ; just picking at bits of it? HINT: it's 3d not 2d." one

488 Re: Sincere question 4-Dec-2000 22:30:07 you need to have someone who you know and trust who you know is more conscious than you .. do some inner work on your viewpoint. iam treating your question as if it was sincere though we both know it wasn't. your an advanced being but your processing other peoples viewpoints. let it all go reset on empty and clear don't hold anything. forgive all if someone misled you in the past it's only because they didn't know any better . release it your missing the new fun and joy thats ariving fresh and new in this moment.love one one

484 more JP crap 4-Dec-2000 22:31:17

491 Re: This also could be one of the kids raised in the cult.... 4-Dec-2000 22:33:04 you'll never figure it out why bother someone needs a hug. one

483 Re: more JP crap 4-Dec-2000 22:35:30 well you obviously know alot about crap lighten up at least get off the pot. the end of the line

482 Re: Re: more JP crap 4-Dec-2000 23:31:03 OK more JP poo poo

487 Re: Re: Sincere question 5-Dec-2000 00:06:23 No it really was a sincere question. Maybe you are confused by a little resentment I feel... But Harvey's comment above explains it better than I can.... The feedback about doing inner work on my viewpoint doesn't ring true... I did oodles of inner work on my various problems with little effect. It's hard for me to believe this would be different. Do you think John should do inner work on his addictions? If so why wasn't he smart enough to figure that out years ago? Or are there other things outside your (and maybe mine too) paradigm? I'm not insincere I'm skeptical of easy answers. autumn

503 "I think ""Flame On"" made some good points but I don't get" 5-Dec-2000 00:09:15 "the point of your posting.... Isn't it just an ""ad hominem"" attack?" autumn

481 Re:to bird. 5-Dec-2000 01:27:14 This seems like good inner work advice but I'm not sure how it pertains to going into oneness which is I think what you were really talking about? Bird

502 Re: I think 5-Dec-2000 01:29:12 one billy and toby are all the same person

479 The bottom line to all this: 5-Dec-2000 01:55:17 Whatever you think about one's (or John's) message is this: It worked for who it worked for and it didn't for the rest. At this point (for us)its old news. No amount of om receiving God Most High will get anyone there if it didn't already. The goal is liberation attained when one reaches the seedless state where all karmas are cooked once and for all. There is no one method to get there no one philosophy either. Many methods must be used many viewpoints incorporated many teachers utilized. Each of us including John must look deep within our hearts to feel what is our next step and for each of us it will be different. John's perhaps is not to entertain sincere questions but to ask them of himself. And maybe that is true for each and every one of us as well. May the Force of Love and Truth be with you... Obewan Kenobi

478 signing off 5-Dec-2000 09:20:17 that seems a good place to end. thanks for the feedback and spin. om recieving has worked from the time of the upanishads and will allways work but methods are tools used when needed are beneficial. only as a life preserver not as an everyday panacea. blessings amen. one

499 Re: Re: Re: to lulu 7-Dec-2000 15:50:24 You must remain a newbie. Everything else is accumulated memories conceptd etc. All spiritual baggage.

498 hey hey...lets hear it for newbies! 7-Dec-2000 21:59:40

497 Re: Re: Re: Re: to lulu 9-Dec-2000 16:37:09 You must remain a newbie. Everything else is accumulated memories conceptd etc. All spiritual baggage. what a crock. sounds like a bad movie of the week. db

496 yes have no concepts or memories then we can control you better! 10-Dec-2000 07:30:53

480 Anyone notice that this advice is self-contradictory? 14-Dec-2000 17:29:47 "First he says are you being bigger than it or flying around inside it. Then he says ""hint its 3D not 2D"" Well if you make it 3D you make it larger... Go inside and check it out!" I.W. Goddess